Transcript episode 6

Hello everyone it’s Matty from Carpentry Australia
I’m here with the beloved
Jesse Jenkinson from Jenkinson Building
thanks for being here today mate
good to see you again matey
yeah good to see you too
good to see you too alright
so let’s get stuck in I wanna
I wanna know more about you and about sort of your journey in the
in the building industry and sort of got you into the chippy trade
fun memories actually so when we were younger
we were doing a renovation on our home and my oldest brother was a
I think it was an apprentice carpenter at the time
and my dad employed obviously his boss to
to do the renovation on our home
and I remember playing in the backyard as a kid
all the boys have been cutting and dropping off
you know
all their little timber offcuts and I remember a guy came over
he handed me a little hammer
a handful of nails to to a kid yeah
you know and just said go for it
have some fun try and build something
you know they must have seen I really want to get my hands in
you know get dirty or whatever
I remember put just nail in a couple of bits of timber together pretty
you know pretty average sort of thing
you know
you imagine a couple of offcuts just of a standard framing and
but I thought I was building boats at
at the time you know
So
so I was putting a couple of bits together and thinking
they’re awesome we used to have a pool
to the side as well
so I’d nail them all together and chuck them in and
you know watch them float and
you know they float around for a little bit
but yeah I don’t ever remember fishing them back out
or if any nails were sticking out at the time
but I just remember having a ball and
and thinking like this looks so much fun
like I’m watching the guys
you know climb around
it was a two storey home at the time
and for a kid that was you know
something epic yeah
yeah yeah
and you know
playing with
with blocks or Lego mate
like as soon as they gave me timber and it was like bigger and
and nails instead of just sticking it together mate
so I kind of blew it on from there
how young were you when you started your apprenticeship
out of high school
so finished year 12 I was working in
stage construction at the time
I think where it was like the Commonwealth game
it’s all that sort of stuff OK
we’re happening at the time
I got this nice gig to help these guys set up the
the stages at the
at the MCG and at various sporting locations around so we’ll help them
yeah set up their little podiums all that sort of stuff
pretty cool pretty different to yeah
start out yeah
well it’s more mainly sort of
I guess it’s kind of like scaffolding and
and stacking but yeah
it was kind of fun
so started off with that and moved into refrigeration
like air conditioning and refrigeration
I knew I always had like a
a bug or like a will to to wanna do carpentry
and of course my grades in high school for woodwork through the roof
yeah yeah yeah
it was just awesome still top of the
top of the class to this day
I don’t know yeah
well
but
but the passion’s there you know
if you love what you’re doing yeah
so good fun
so I think I was about maybe two or three years out of high school
where a friend said that he had an opportunity
he was doing a carpentry apprenticeship
and his boss was looking for another person to jump on board
and I took that in a heartbeat
I think I was out of work for all of two or three days
you know and jumped straight on
it was different to what I expected it would be
only because this company was doing steel frames alright
and that was something I wasn’t used to at all
I didn’t know that was part of carpentry
it was still building homes
you know but it was all pre fabricated frames
but then jumped into a windows lock UPS and then that actual carpentry
you know aspect that we all know and love skirts
hanging doors that sort of stuff
yeah but then yeah
of course blend into a timber frames as well
so two years probably on steel frames
two years on timber frames
and then a whole lot of customization all in between there
when did you start Jenkinson Building after that
or did you have a smaller carpentry business beforehand
as soon as my carpentry apprenticeship was over
the boss was yeah
looking looking for some more younger guys or something or maybe the
the the pay went up too high whatever
but you know
it was kind of a blessing in disguise
II started up my own company at that time
I called it something bit
different
I think I called it like ATB Constructions or something
it was like a little sole builder type
yeah and I think that lasted for about maybe six months to a year
just building decks for a sort of people
you know and then I ended up mum and dad jobs are smaller
yeah exactly right
yeah and
you know deck building was a little bit of a specialty at the time
cause that’s what we had a lot of experience doing
so once we built those homes
there was always a nice little deck and
and the boss taught us some really
really good skills do you think that’s where your sort of
leadership kind of skills came from
or at least started cause I’ve experienced
I came out
I remember coming out on site to a big job that you were doing out
where you built that barn
yeah we’ll talk a little bit more about that in a sec
but yeah I
I just remember watching you sort
of interact with your apprentices and with your
your qualified and just how you sort of ran the site
you were probably the most calm
but the most direct in in the best possible way
I don’t know I was sitting there going
I wanna I wanna be a chippy because I wanna work for Jesse
because I wanna work for Jesse
so where did it all start
nice mate nice observation no
it does first person to tell me that
I honestly couldn’t tell you know
I think I think he was yeah
my my old boss at the time doing the carpentry apprenticeship
I think he was he was always fair and yeah
and and fun but I think he just taught great skills yeah
he was pretty good at letting us know how and what to do and
and we kind of built our reputation through that
so yeah honestly mate
I’ve never thought of it like that
but of course he would have contributed yeah
or maybe it was just innately in you as well
I know that some people are probably probably born with it right
but I don’t think I ever felt that I had some sort of leadership
but you know definitely thought you were very good teacher
you could tell that’s nice yeah
you could tell and
and that’s something obviously that’s carried over from
you know from that ATB into Jenkinson building and
and now sort of where you’ve
you’ve broken the mould and you’re doing something a little bit
a little bit it’s like bit of a bigger scale thing
so to talk us through that’s true yeah
talk us through sort of the those last couple of years and being
yeah at that job where you did the big barn
and how that actually came to be
I’m really excited for for people to know sort of how it came to be
and sort of how long you’re actually on that job
for carpentry the versatility of carpentry right
so running Jenkinson Building for for a good while
jumping into the commercial side of
of building then like I said
it took me overseas
and then really showed me how versatile a building can be
but then coming back from there
I think I just finished up a
another new restaurant with a couple of groups of guys
you know who was all part of my team and
and I just thought about looking back at
trying to find something in the residential
area again
something nice something fantastic
and this is where we crossed a a lot of paths
I think we just did a post with you guys or we caught up somewhere
and I ended up finding in your classifieds on super early days
it would have been like the start of Carpentry Australia
or something like this
but you had an ad up for a builder looking for carpenters
and I thought oh
you know something like that
that’d be nice and easy they only wanted to do
you know a quick trial just to
to help
fill in the void and I thought our wife got a couple of employees
you know I might jump onto this
we’ll see what’s going on now
well we’re still reaching out to find some other work
and yeah lo and behold
we go over there
for for this interview and it’s an absolute beautiful looking home big
big open spaces out but it’s like the yeah
it’s a around that area Wonga Park
Wonga Park Wonga Park is where it is
it’s a beautiful spot yeah
and just this epically beautiful home
and they wanted us to just sort of help on this barn
that was just a frame at the time
we got in there we saw a little bit of work
well it needed a lot of love
I think some someone must have rushed the job or
or whatever but yeah
needed a good bit of TLC and the guy hired us straight away
and like next thing we knew
we’re almost there the best part of two years working for this guy
he loved us we loved him
actually ended up being this amazingly gorgeous job
like so much customization
perfectly beautiful materials
you know exotic materials
real expensive very high end as well
and uh yeah
started building for him and then we helped him
through builds I think yeah
over yeah just under two years unreal
so yeah yeah
came came out of nowhere mate and ended up something really
really amazing and then yeah
of course we told you about that and
and got you guys back out over to that site too
that’s right so we did
we did some did a bit of commercial filming and stuff up there
we got some did some product and sort of got to
got to see some of the boys out on site
I think it was very cool that there was a
a job lead because obviously through CA
we’ve got our jobs board that that it’s a bit different now
but back then we would send out emails as like our classifieds for
yeah for job leads that were coming through
and we’ve never taken any cut from any of these jobs or anything
it’s just part of the membership
not at all mate and you didn’t even know that that was something
when I brought you out yeah
to that side I had no clue
I told you the whole backstory and you were you guys were mind blown
I was amazed yeah
that was nice
but that’s really cool that we were able to provide an opportunity
you know through just the network and then it sort of
you know open the doors for you for a couple of years
it was like an epically amazing job
like an and a great person to work for and
and yeah it was awesome
it worked out so so well in so many ways yeah
so you finished up that job
obviously it was a beautiful build and everything
but then you’ve stepped across into back into commercial
so you
you were in commercial and then you went back to Resi and then yeah
you’ve sort of you took on a bit of a foreman role
and then so what sort of took you back to the commercial game
and you know
what’s so different about working in these high rises compared to
you know what you’re doing out on site
back a couple years ago
the reason to jump across was because of management
I while still studying my diploma
I noticed that I still had a bit of a way to go with with management
I wasn’t quite 100% on how I thought that I was running my business
and I’d love to jump in with
with someone big who would have big like amazing processes
and
it wasn’t long until like a friend was like
oh you should come work for our company
he was one of the architects working for for the pace building
group so yeah
he
sort of help me get my foot in the door
I went in had had the interview and was yeah
hired on pretty much on the spot from the construction manager there
who
I had no idea so I don’t know this world very well
but very very highly respected person in yeah
in building in in Melbourne
and I think a lot of the background on these
the high residential and
you know the restaurants and things like that
actually helped that sort of leg up
cause I didn’t know it at the time
but it was this
building company’s headquarters that we were building
yeah right
so OK
so yeah that’s exciting
yeah pretty prestigious
and I and I was
like I was gobsmacked to even be a part of a team like that
and we were just a team of four
and yeah and there was a 12
12 story build a restaurant on the top restaurant on the ground floor
and then a big wellness center in the mezzanine and office spaces
so yeah it’s pretty amazing
I’ve always been amazed to sort of try
and
I guess I wanna ask a question about how there’s a difference between
you know when you’re working in residential and when you’ve got like
what a good day’s work looks like on a residential site
compared to when you’re in commercial
and you’ve got so many moving parts
what does a good day on site look like in commercial
compared to a good day out on site
and resi because you can sort of see things come together residential
maybe on the smaller scale
you know essentially there’s maybe less amount of guys in residential
but it’s still the same amount of work
but everything scaled I would say it looks looks quite similar OK yeah
you’re still running the same amount of guys all the service trades
you know plasterers carpenters all that sort of stuff at the same time
but it’s a bit like probably a lot more fast paced
and what do you think some of the main difference
you said like obviously the work itself is pretty similar
but what do you think some of the main differences are for you know
if there’s any resi
carpenters out there that wanted to take the leap into commercial or
you know what are some of the benefits of it
what what in your opinion
well
the difference between commercial carpentry and residential
I think it depends on the type of work that you would like doing so
so the first thing I noticed was almost a
a cookie cutter of the same thing that you would learn at
at the start so if you learnt
you know to do Architraves or something
I’ve learnt that you’re kinda wouldn’t say pigeonhole yourself into
into that sort of area or aspect
but it’s where you’ve got to do volumes
of the same work over and over and over
and I found that residential moves a little bit faster
cause I guess it’s like a smaller build
and when I say mean move faster
I think it’s for example
you’re working on Architraves for a less amount of time
before you’re jumping onto something else
hanging doors or you know
I’m doing a some some you know yeah yeah
I’m a joiner or yeah like this of course
you know but if you’re doing that in commercial
you’re going from level 1
you know Architraves
right up to level 2 architraves of the X amount of 12 floors
and yeah
but the X amount of apartments as well and it it’s quite repetitious
what about I’ve always been interested
from someone who does a lot of self education and
you know I feel like you’ve always been you know
you’ve sort of studied the game
I guess from from your early days
and you’ve always been very interested in
you know new sustainable products and you know
new sort of ways of building and stuff like that
what what do you think defines like a good builder
and what makes like a good builder great
I think a lot of it’s mainly based on relationships
I think I think it’s the the
the relationship and the trust that you can build with people
if you can maintain and build relationships
but you know keep everyone working maintains a fairness
I think that’s one of the main keys
what about any
any builders or anyone that you’ve sort of worked for in the past
that you sort of admired you know
like what kind of I’ve admired everyone
I think literally everyone that I’ve worked for come across or yeah
yeah cross paths with yeah
whole bunch of mentors like I said
my older brother was one of my main mentors
were from building that childhood home
and then even even past then has been that
you know
that family carpenter or builder that are and I inspired to be yeah
pretty much everyone along the way
I thought my boss was great
I always would love to have his skill level
and then even the guys I’ve worked with
like the project managers or the construction managers
or even the owners of the company
you know the things that they seem to spot
you know I noticed that you can you can kinda tell the time and
how how calculated they are in their responses and
and what’s come out of that
you can tell absolute wealth
you know even generational wealth has come through
you know to to get us to these sort of points
and I love being able to take and adapt
a sort of adjust myself from things that I’ve learnt from those guys
what is it in recent sort of months and you know
over maybe the past sort of six to 12 months
that you’ve seen that’s changed within construction
or what do you think’s coming next that you’re
that you might be excited about
yeah well
I’ve got a few actually there
but from watching on the sidelines
I guess or in the mix how it depends how you wanna put it
so I did enjoy the Victorian Housing
Government scheme that’s going on at the moment
so set allocations
of money are going into all these new high rises
that are getting built right
obviously we’ve got a
a housing shortage here in Victoria or if not Australia
but this set amount of money
I’ve noticed some real like a amazing things
so they’ve been offering it to other builders
but the builders get to design and build these sort of buildings
of course within council limitations
but the products that are coming out of these are really amazing
you know sort of strategically planned things from
from either architects or the builders or the designers
everyone sort of along the way
using the same amount of money to create these yeah
amazingly livable spaces and and I thought that was really
really cool where you know Fitzroy at the moment
you know there’s a whole bunch being built in there North Melbourne
there’s a whole bunch coming up at the moment
all of them looked that little bit different but
but they’re all you know sort of capped at that same price point
which I think is awesome so that was one cool thing to see
obviously there’s a lot there’s a massive tech boom happening
so Croydon uh in Melbourne’s trying to become this big uh
big like a new San Francisco yeah
well the Silicon Valley or something yeah
it’s like the Melbourne Silicon Valley sort of area
so they’re
they’re building up big time and there’s amazing office spaces
what do you think of tech in the construction industry
and sort of love it you love it
yeah yeah
what’s some of the real cool stuff that you’ve seen with tech
or with software you know recently that’s you know
wouldn’t have existed five years ago
a couple of the programs that we use you know
there’s a couple of that we use on site that are safety safety base
which is good obviously to keep keep track of people who were on site
make sure that they’re you know
all their safety swims and they’re all induct like this
they’re all yeah they’re they’re all 100% in and on board
so that’s that’s been pretty cool
you know like your one stop shop
so straight on your phone
I can bring up plans or I can add photos or send defects to people
I thought that’s awesome
and it just links everyone else back in as well
so things that are relevant in a heartbeat
you know you can let someone and their whole team know hey
this thing needs needs work or I’m all this thing’s amazing
you know we need to replicate this in other areas yeah
yeah and so that’s pretty cool
you think that people
shouldn’t shy away from it as well because I think no
not at all it was a really
really cool one that I had a lot of fun with the Inside Building Expo
yeah yeah
that you guys were at as well
I was walking around with this guy
and he had this kind of like a sonar slash radar detector
thing on top of his uh
it was like a wearable frame
mm hmm and uh
we were walking around through a building well
it was through through bloody Jeff Jeff shed yeah
yeah and
and it was just picking up all this detection
and we’re watching this screen as we were walking around in real time
and it’s literally pinging every little measurement and
you know just notable thing in every single room
and putting it in real time onto this screen
to send back over to his computer
including measurements like distances
wherever you are in this point
it had everything measured out and I thought that was incredible
and then your mind just starts racing on
how many applications you could use that for
but then he started showing me the layering that he could do
and then I was blown away
because I was obviously working in this high rise
sort of office building at the time
and thinking that wow
like if I walked through this building
when it was all just still high level
rough in like all the mechanicals and plumbing
and all the services had gone up into the ceiling
and I could walk through with this machine
before the plaster is plaster up right
or even walk through a building a
a home before the plaster is put the ceiling on all the walls
you could walk through the frame
and it would take dimensions and locate where every service pipe is
where every cable is in internally of the wall
power points everything how it was all run
it measured and mapped all that out yeah
but then you could do it again afterwards and still walk through like
imagine walking through this room right now and knowing oh
there’s a cable right here already you know
the studs are here you know
there’s a pipe working here yeah yeah
the studs are there you can literally find everything in a heartbeat
but on your screen just going
flicking back through the stages of the room
from the location you’re standing on
and my brain was just going wild
let’s go I was like oh my god like everywhere should have that yeah
I’m sure it costs $1 billion
I don’t know if it’s cheap just yet but yeah
I think but that interaction
I was chatting obviously with the guy
and they’re trying to interact
that with all these other building programs
especially the big popular ones that everyone’s using
so that’s cool mate wouldn’t that that would be awesome
what are the cool stuff you said there was three things
so you said the text the big one
what’s the what’s the last thing that you’re sort of excited to see
you know in the next sort of six to 12 months
well the big big housing boom well
it’s not not just the affordable housing was the one but
I just saw these new big buildings that are coming up
so it was almost the great Wall of Saint Kilda
so Saint kilda’s building up big time
the company I’m working
for has got a massive build there at the moment
but Frankston’s about to build up so right along this foreshore
they’re calling it the Great Wall of Frankston
oh wow it’s all gonna be big giant
apartment complexes
starting from the hospital and working its way back up yeah
so it’s on the Pearn Highway
but big blocks and just just big beautiful buildings
I think they’re all awesome like yeah
from all the guys I’ve been following online
and some of the companies I’ve worked for
you know they’re all in a win awards
so like Master Builders Association on design intent
you know and and creative spaces but they aren’t just homes as well
it looks like a
so much more thoughts being put into and where they’re becoming
you know if little sort of micro cities in themselves like yeah
incorporating playgrounds for all the residents incorporating a
you know common areas like pools or rooftop barbecues
all this sort of stuff
almost every single building has an aspect like this
where it’s
looking to care and cater for the people who actually live there
where it isn’t just walk into your apartment and that’s it
that’s all you get yeah yeah
that’s really incredible yeah
it’s gonna be cool to see sort of how it changes and you know
what’s um what’s to come in the next little while
but I think
I think what we’re excited about as well is I think there’s some
some more push on like passive houses and
sort of learning about the sustainability side of things
like what’s your yeah
oh I love to follow that too yeah
yeah yeah
so many different ways that that these uh
these things are coming out like um
ventilation has been one that I’ve been following
recently and it’s it’s fresh on my mind
so how how people are using different types of ventilation
but then different scientists or different people studying the
the passive houses
do you need the ventilation or are you fully you know
sealing your home as a single cell
where it never changes temperature up or down
it’s an interesting time
cause so many different studies are happening and
and with Australia and how well
especially Melbourne and the crazy weather we’re having today
like it was a hot morning for some reason in the middle of winter
it was 7 17 degrees at 8:30 this morning
and then dropped down to 10
and absolutely started hammering down with
with Hurricane winds and it’s still cold outside
but now the sun’s back out yeah
so I don’t know that really doesn’t make sense
but how does that work and interact with this home
so if you have vented or have ventilation
say from the Eve here and then there’s a fan in the back room
trying to push and circulate the air through
what effect does that have on the uh
on the internal spaces like the
the internal areas of the walls
uh what’s it doing in the ceiling
is it creating condensation
how are you eliminating that condensation
if it’s a sealed cell is that creating its own condensation
how do we get rid of that
what’s
what’s happening you know
what’s happening throughout the life of this building
yeah yeah
and why do you think being in Melbourne right
you know you’d know sort of
you know this very well but why are we so against
you know like
proper insulation and double glazed windows and all of these things
cause especially like my house is about 13 years old
and I feel like it’s either too hot
too cold and I you can’t win
you really can’t win and you have people from Europe cause one of my
one of my cousins is German and she’s come over here and you know
she comes into the house and she’s like oh
it’s so cold like what
what
she doesn’t understand why we don’t have a better systems in place
but being someone who’s been in building for so long
like is there changes that are happening in that space
or is it just there’s a certain code that people build to
and they don’t really care to go that extra mile
well that that’s exactly right
so yeah we were beholden to a light building code
you know many years back
where majority of the houses were built
you know 70s
80s 60s
70s 80s
they did have a light light standard building code
and it just wasn’t wasn’t a thing
they thought uh
well I mean
the tin roof
it was a straight tin roof open ceiling and then just having 2
2 layers they thought was enough
so in essence
that did have its own little passive quality of plasterboard
timber rafter and then just straight onto a tin roof
but with the sun beating down
of course that roof space is cooking hot like a full oven
and of course it was transferring through
I just don’t think that that the research
you know the the R&D
I don’t think ever ever happened that much and you know
the airflow underneath their houses underneath the
the verandas and things like that
I just don’t think we’ll
we’ll really new like I know that in in England
they’ve had double they’re like triple glazed
yeah now you know
they’re they’re battening down for the snow everything
I wouldn’t say that Australia’s against it
I think it’s pricey yeah
especially if you wanna renovate nowadays and
and you know the cost of materials
everything’s up my house still is
is ice cold like constantly
I’m always like you said I’m either freezing or boiling
and that’s what my wife says
she’s always you’re either freezing or boiling
never in between
so true and I’m all yeah
live up in the top of the mountain too
and yeah my house doesn’t have insulation
and yeah it’s things I obviously need to get onto
but yeah the heat just escapes like straight away
it’s yeah
of course but you know
you wanna maintain that
and then of course the way that you’re
how you’re getting that heat as well
is it electricity that you’re using
you know you can lower your bills
you can be more efficient
and I think it’s just a efficiency in so many other ways
so yeah yeah
people should be all for it
but I I do believe that the price point
you know to get those things done yeah
yeah that’s what makes it tricky
it’s tough to lay it all out on the table well
one of my
one of my building mates told me that cause there’s no isolation
like there’s no roof under my roof sheets
it’s just it’s just open
it’s got the colour bond and then the insulation on the
the top and that’s yeah
that’s it there’s
there’s no there’s no blanket or anything that protects
and he he told me goes look
you wouldn’t actually you’d be worse off putting the insulation in
you know
having to take off a sheet and then sort of install it and stuff
he goes you might as well just pay your bills for yeah
he goes look
it would take a while for you to sort of
recoup what you’d be missing out on
you know from yeah
just because of how it how to
to install that you know
on your roof he’s like
I did it to my place he goes
but I wouldn’t I wouldn’t pay someone else to do it
well that’s the thing
yeah right
we we all became builders and carpenters so we could do it
there’s a lot of ways to look at it
to be honest yeah
and and like I said before
there’s 100 if not 1,000 or probably a million now
different ways to try and utilize things like this to save money
save energy you know and
and keep warm keep cool
yeah if
if need be yeah
what what’s something that keeps you motivated after all these years
you know is it education
is it you know
just the love of the trade
like what a lot of it yeah
a lot of passion as well yeah
yeah so I think building and carpentry has always
been one of those the biggest bang for your buck type thing that
well I mean
at least that I’ve experienced right
so you know
after a year or
you know six months to a year or sometimes two years
where you can stand back and say like
that was a field
now all of a sudden there’s this giant building there
you know so much money and resources
hard work labour
amazing friendships and everything of all happened in this to
to create this giant thing
you know and a lot of them are amazing
you like to see that your work standing there
you know yeah
well some of my favourite ones are where of course
personally with with carpentry
some of the residential ones were my favourite right
and that’s because I got to use amazing materials
I got to build these things with my hand
and it was really special and something really special for the
for that owner so that home owner that
you know just you’re building their dreams right
and they’ve worked their whole life for this thing
it’s the one thing they they want
you know to to be amazing to be perfect and stuff like that
and that was always like really heartfelt
you know think to be able to create something for someone like that
and for them to be able to
of course use that space or thing or whatever it was
but then the cracks with that is that they
they’re the person who gets to enjoy it
but then I’ve got this second love in the commercial area
where I’m building some of these restaurants and and
and stuff like that the amazing
creative flair that they used to give us like
we did this
ice cream place in Saint Kilda
and they wanted it to sort of be like a yellow submarine and free
you know just let us go with our artistic flair and we’re ha
we’re you know
painting the place and creating port holes everywhere
and all this sort of stuff
and then you don’t get that sort of
you know that sort of thing to happen often
you know but then people go to that place so a lot of
lot more people get to enjoy that space yeah
or you know
some of the fancy restaurants in Melbourne and even
you get to go there when I have a meal
exactly yeah
and I do get to go back exactly yeah
yeah and enjoy these spaces with family
friends or when someone says
I had this amazing dinner at this lovely restaurant
you know and it was in this area and
you know what was it called
and then you know
they tell you and you know
what do you think of the space
you know yeah
yeah yeah
wasn’t that a beautifully ambient
you know yeah
like wow
what a space to be in and then and then and then
you know sort of bleed into it
but you know things like that I always thought was amazing
you know yeah
yeah a lot of pride
I love it I love it
you can tell that you’re passionate
that you’re proudful about what you’re doing
you know I feel like that’s always comes through
in the years that we’ve sort of been working together
and that’s that’s a good that’s a definitely a big positive about
you know you and who you are mate
what’s a myth in building that you’d that you’d like to bust
is there any myths out there that you think are just hundreds yeah
oh there’s heaps
but I think the biggest one the myth that the builder knows everything
no I don’t think that anyone knows everything
I think that the easiest way to bust that is for everyone to think nah
that person they know some stuff
but they rely and and this one massive thing that I’ve learnt is
you’ve got to rely on the experts
you need to know how to find the answers
you don’t have to have the answers
you need to know where to find them
it’s like they teach you you know
to try and learn the the full National Construction Code
no way you gonna remember every single page in that book
not a chance they just want you to know where to find it yeah
and that bleeds right into
into carpentry into building into
into all this management it’s the myth that they know that one thing
the
yeah the
the best way is to find out where to find those answers
ask the experts and try and get them all in the same room together
and you’ll come up with every single outcome
that you wanted to achieve
in a heartbeat yeah
yeah and that’s
that’s one of the biggest
I reckon one of the last things I did wanna ask you was
you know you
you’ve got such a you know
a good grasp on these industry associations and sort of you’ve been
you’ve been studying the game for so long and you’ve
you’ve got such a a love for it
what do you think about you know
you’ve been a long term member of Carpentry Australia as well
and sort of what do you think about the
support that we’re able to give to our members
and what it sort of means to
you know to have something like Carpentry Australia involved in your
your journey it was something that was non existent
you know when I was doing all my apprenticeship
all that sort of stuff it was great to have a
you know someone out there looking after the
the people going through this or trying to set up a
a standard you know
SO
carpentry’s always been one of those sort of trades that so regulated
and to have a a company wanna come and step in and
and hold the line for the carpenters and
and
you know people wanted to
wanted to elevate at least have a space or somewhere to talk about it
cause there are like where’s a
where’s a carpentry group that isn’t Carpentry Australia
like I don’t know any yeah
yeah it’s
it’s if not in
in your own personal uh
you know if you’re employed with a
with a carpenter or work work as a carpenter
that’s pretty much your group
but now you’ve
really branched this out you know
it’s a it’s a lot more yeah
Australia wide yeah
that’s it that’s it
I love it I love it
it’s been a it’s been a pleasure to
to you know
have you
have you on as a member and sort of look after you over these years
and see how you’ve grown from this
the smaller stuff all the way up to
you know managing over 100 people now and
you know just doing some
some really really big
cool stuff so thanks for
thanks for being a part of it mate
and look after us and you know
we look forward to the next steps mate
yeah thank you very much
no worries cheers
I appreciate you coming in as well
yeah all good mate
yeah always nice to be back at the lines then